Category talk:Vertan Denizens

Necessary category? All articles within could be moved elsewhere. --Krypton 07:22, 18 February 2008 (GMT)

Like where do you suggest? Asara 22:00, 18 February 2008 (GMT)

Drafaris and Kadran in Category:Historical Figures. Not sure about Imperial Oracles.. Category:Organisations or Category:Government, whichever one is less of a stretch. --Krypton 01:09, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

Maybe Category:Religion, too. --Krypton 13:23, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

Eh, why move these articles to less concise and more "stretchy" category relationships? Asara 14:33, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

Category:Historical Figures is not less concise; it's more accurate and consistent with the majority of Vertani not on Sapience now being in that category. And the more I think about Category:Religion for Imperial Oracles, the more it starts to make sense. --Krypton 16:32, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

By less concise I meant the dispersal of articles outside a clear category. The difference between Vertani categorized in Vertan Denizens and Historical Figures is that the ones in the former are still alive and the ones in the latter are dead (hence the definition of Category:Historical Figures). Asara 20:04, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

If you're going to assess the "conciseness" of categories that way, then Category:Vertan Denizens means denizens specifically living in Vertan, and in the case of Drafaris, who was exiled, that may not be an appropriate category for him at all, as his exile was likely from the Vertani community on Vertan. For Kadran, we would also have to check for documentation saying he returned to his homeland. As for Category:Historical Figures, it is most certainly not limited solely to deceased denizens. Take Cherry and Garian, for example. They are not in an "alive" category anymore because there really is none suitable for them when it seems unlikely at the moment that we will ever see them again. No one really thinks, that after Rurin withdrew his wares, Cherry and Garian were murdered, their bodies hacked into pieces and thrown into a ditch. Likewise, many of the articles in Historical Figures don't even have recorded deaths, and the lack thereof could easily come back and bite us in the tushie, as demonstrated by Himalia; who could've guessed that any Offspring could still be alive today? Therefore, "Historical Figures" is not a category solely for the "confirmed dead", but rather also for anyone from the past who we're unlikely to ever see, or someone from the present who we've seen before but has disappeared and is unlikely to ever be seen again. Frankly, one could go make a Category:Missing Denizens if one desired... --Krypton 20:44, 19 February 2008 (GMT)

No, "conciseness" does not imply your definition of Category:Vertan Denizens and I'm not really sure how you arrived at this conclusion. At the moment the category is defined as "Vertani of the Vertan Empire" which does not assume these denizens live IN Vertan in as much that they are FROM, or a member of, Vertan. If you think the category should be re-named to "Vertani Denizens" rather than "Vertan Denizens", perhaps this is more accurate. I also wrote and defined the parameters of Historical Figures which I believe still less aptly define Kadran and Drafaris than them being Vertani Denizens. When I explained the current Vertani listed in Historical Figures as being dead, you extrapolated too far here also in assuming that being dead was the only qualification for -all- historical figures, even though I was speaking only of the Vertani. Asara 05:06, 20 February 2008 (GMT)

Category:Vertani Denizens wouldn't solve the problem (since "Vertani" isn't a location), though a Category:Vertani might. Why wouldn't I assume Category:Vertan Denizens specifically means someone living in Vertan? (I ignore the article description because it's not particularly descriptive; as far as it is concerned, all denizens in Tir Murann should then be in this category.) That is the exact convention in all other [[Category:<Place> Denizens]], i.e. denizens who live there, not originated from there. Just look at these articles as examples: Lukia DeGage, Bewert, Irilan, Venasia Enverren, Jitaka, and all other "visiting" denizens and denizens that didn't grow up where they currently live. --Krypton 05:30, 20 February 2008 (GMT)