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Imyrr beat us to the punch, and I actually think the table split to differentiate between modern player bearers and Seleucar bearers is a good one. I can't agree that staff powers should be listed for players. The more we add to the Wiki, the less people have to go in-game to learn. There should be a balance between accuracy and breadth, and minimalism/vagueness, which is both my personal opinion and the stated guidelines/purpose of the Wiki. Additionally, each Staff has multiple unique powers, not just the big ones you listed, and there's also no way of verifying that the correct power has been added without the Staff Holder to confirm as the Garden NEVER confirms nor denies powers past or present. A player has no way of figuring out Staff Powers without going and talking to people, unlike with something like auctions where there are news posts and syntax to check winners independently. If there is something cool that you want to preserve like a moniker, that can and should be preserved in-game in some fashion rather than here. --[[Eoka]], 22:41, 05 June 2024 (GMT) | Imyrr beat us to the punch, and I actually think the table split to differentiate between modern player bearers and Seleucar bearers is a good one. I can't agree that staff powers should be listed for players. The more we add to the Wiki, the less people have to go in-game to learn. There should be a balance between accuracy and breadth, and minimalism/vagueness, which is both my personal opinion and the stated guidelines/purpose of the Wiki. Additionally, each Staff has multiple unique powers, not just the big ones you listed, and there's also no way of verifying that the correct power has been added without the Staff Holder to confirm as the Garden NEVER confirms nor denies powers past or present. A player has no way of figuring out Staff Powers without going and talking to people, unlike with something like auctions where there are news posts and syntax to check winners independently. If there is something cool that you want to preserve like a moniker, that can and should be preserved in-game in some fashion rather than here. --[[Eoka]], 22:41, 05 June 2024 (GMT) | ||
Imyrr's change is acceptable. It removes the factor of representing lacking information with "unknown" repeated next to each name, and simply lists the winners as they are for each year. As you stated it is | Imyrr's change is acceptable. It removes the factor of representing lacking information with "unknown" repeated next to each name, and simply lists the winners as they are for each year. As you stated it is your personal opinion that staff powers not be listed, however it is not against Wiki guidelines. Much on the wiki is information that can only be gotten in-game, and some of it only by communicating with players that were there at the time. Many players come to the wiki to search up a quick reference, which is simply just a fact of game life. If we go down the slippery slope of "If they cant find this immediately in the game, then it shouldnt be here", then we will have to delete dozens of pages or references in pages on this wiki. To note, the guideline states: | ||
"Please do not share quests, skills information, or anything that should reasonably stay private". | "Please do not share quests, skills information, or anything that should reasonably stay private". | ||
The concept of staff powers staying 'reasonably private' is definitely off the table in that scenario. The powers are based on being impactful and game-changing in their involvement. It was thus reasonable to list them based purely on their impact in the game and lore. That said I agree that information on it may not always be accurate simply based on it being known by individuals, though it could be debated that several other aspects of Achaea's lore is of the same idea but we simply edit it as it comes along. The table is adjusted now anyway, so this line of discussion is mute. -- [[Asmodron]], {{CURRENTTIME}}, 05 June 2024. | The concept of staff powers staying 'reasonably private' is definitely off the table in that scenario. The powers are based on being impactful and game-changing in their involvement. It was thus reasonable to list them based purely on their impact in the game and lore. That said I agree that information on it may not always be accurate simply based on it being known by individuals, though it could be debated that several other aspects of Achaea's lore is of the same idea but we simply edit it as it comes along. The table is adjusted now anyway, so this line of discussion is mute. -- [[Asmodron]], {{CURRENTTIME}}, 05 June 2024. | ||