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This page covers alternate options for cooking styles and ingredients to make them more distinctly Achaean.
On 7th of Mayan, 735, Nicola suggested that if we can have parmesan and champagne, then we can have cheddar. Where the realistic line is drawn is with words that have accents or lettering that cannot be replicated in our designs, or terms that aren't suitable for the medieval environment. It's just better in general to make up regional tastes for Achaea, as outlined below, and stick to them to create worldwide consistency.
Nicola added that this wiki page "is an excellent resource for anyone aspiring to be a great chef" and definitely encourages its use. She adds, "For the newbie cook submitting his first ham and cheese sandwich, it's not going to get rejected for using cheddar."
==Introduction==
==Introduction==
This is a working repository of Achaean origins for certain foods. It is probably going to be rigorously debated, but the basic minimum for an entry would be:
This is a working repository of Achaean origins for certain foods. A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself: ''Is this a brand or some other type of proper noun in real life?'' If the answer is yes, then it's probably not suited for the Achaean environment and you're better off finding an in-character equivalent.


This list is probably going to be rigorously debated, but foods listed on this wiki page should have:
*A credible point of origin (i.e. Actar is known for its goats not sheep, it's more likely to produce a goat cheese as a regional specialty)  
*A credible point of origin (i.e. Actar is known for its goats not sheep, it's more likely to produce a goat cheese as a regional specialty)  
*A basic description of the flavour/smell/appearance/consistency when cooked/uncooked
*A basic description of the flavour/smell/appearance/consistency when cooked/uncooked
*Appended note if there is a real world equivalent
*A note if there is a real world equivalent


Completed and approved entries will be entered into the guild's manuscript in Delos for IG reference.
Completed and approved entries will be entered into the guild's manuscript in Delos for IG reference.


Something to remember, per [[Sarapis]]' note on [http://forums.achaea.com/discussion/comment/291082/#Comment_291082/a forum post]: "I also want to point out that this isn't black and white, even though approvals are by necessity black and white. There's a spectrum, and it's an immensely subtle and wide spectrum. There are no bright, clear, simple lines to be drawn and so it's completely inevitable, especially with something where we can't spend much time on it, that there'll be inconsistencies, both real and perceived. We work to minimize those of course but we'll never be able to get rid of them. It's just too broad a subject matter."
Something to remember, per [[Sarapis]]' note on [http://forums.achaea.com/discussion/comment/291082/#Comment_291082/a forum post]: "I also want to point out that this isn't black and white, even though approvals are by necessity black and white. There's a spectrum, and it's an immensely subtle and wide spectrum. There are no bright, clear, simple lines to be drawn and so it's completely inevitable, especially with something where we can't spend much time on it, that there'll be inconsistencies, both real and perceived. We work to minimise those of course but we'll never be able to get rid of them. It's just too broad a subject matter."
 
===Items Not Allowed===
Per HELP COOKING DESIGN: ''The Crafting Council reserves the right to determine whether foods are suitable for Achaea's environment. Certain anachronistic foods and terms will not be allowed. Following is a list of some such foods; we will attempt to keep it up to date, but please be aware that it is not exhaustive.''
 
These items include (but are not limited to):
*pizza
*tacos
*hot dogs
*pancakes
*waffles
*fondue
*jellybeans
*gummianything(bear, worm, etc).
*cotton candy/candy floss
 
While it may be tempting to out-wit the Divine who oversee crafting by using clever descriptions for items not allowed, all too often it's a waste of both their time and yours. A better option is to create something that is allowed with similar ingredients. Some alternatives are listed below.


===Cooking Styles===
===Cooking Styles===
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{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|'''Cooking Term'''
|'''Cooking Term'''
|'''Achaean Equivalent'''
|'''Suggested Achaean Equivalent'''
|'''Notes'''
|'''Notes'''
|-
|-
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|TBA
|TBA
|Butterflies, chipmunks, deer, rabbits.
|Butterflies, chipmunks, deer, rabbits.
|-Rambutan fruit (red, juicy berries with a sweet flavour)
|
|-
|-
|[[Ashtan]]
|[[Ashtan]]
|TBA
|TBA
|TBA
|ducks
|-
|-
|[[Aureliana]]
|[[Aureliana]]
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|-
|-
|[[Bagwar's Copse]]
|[[Bagwar's Copse]]
|TBA
|Elm.
|TBA
|Ithmian stoats.
|-
|-
|[[Bitterfork]]
|[[Bitterfork]]
|TBA
|Grain and flour from the mill. Spring water from the stream.
|Bears
|N/A although bears from the nearby [[Dardanic Grasslands]] plague the village.
|-
|-
|[[Black Forest]]
|[[Black Forest]]
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|Snow blocks, ice.
|Snow blocks, ice.
|Snow leopards, spiders.
|Snow leopards, spiders.
|-
|Caverns of [[Riagath]]
|Apples
|Kalok (like a goat)
|-
|-
|[[Cyrene]]
|[[Cyrene]]
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|-
|-
|[[Delos]]
|[[Delos]]
|TBA
|Carnival-inspired foods or foods lavish ingredients.
|TBA
|Mimes.
|-
|[[Dun Valley|(Barony of) Dun Valley]]
|Jungle-inspired, blood pears, golden honeycomb
|Opossums, jaguar, gorilla, iridescent hummingbird, yellow-eared parrot
|-
|[[Eastern Shore]]
|Oysters, crabs, sand boas. Seabirds. Various fishes.
|Seaweed, kelp
|-
|-
|[[El'Jazira]]
|[[El'Jazira]] (Blighted, see [[Mhojave Desert]].)
|TBA
|N/A
|TBA
|N/A
|-
|-
|[[Eleusis]]
|[[Eleusis]]
|TBA
|Forest-inspired, herbs (mint, parsley, basil, and garlic), garden vegetables (peppers, tomatoes, pumpkins, potatoes, cabbage, carrots, onions, leeks), fruits (oranges, elderberries, apples, cranberries, plums, raspberry, blackcurrant, blackberry).
|TBA
|Treekin, butterflies.
|-
|-
|[[Enverren Marsh]]
|[[Enverren Marsh]]
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|-
|-
|[[Hashan]]
|[[Hashan]]
|TBA
|TBA
|TBA
|-
|[[Istarion]]
|Soursop fruit, crescent-shaped bread roll, star fern, walnuts
|Ifrit (poultry)
|-
|-
|[[Ithmia]] Forests
|[[Ithmia]] Forests
|Eastern - Acorns, oaks, elms, maples.
|
Northern - Cherry, willow, beech, and poplar trees, mushrooms.
*Eastern - Acorns, oaks, elms, maples.
 
*Northern - Cherry, willow, beech, and poplar trees, mushrooms.
Western - acorns.
*Western - Acorns.
|Eastern - Badgers, chipmunks, deer, and wren.
|
Northern - Elk, lamassu, and tengu.
*Eastern - Badgers, chipmunks, deer, and wren.
 
*Northern - Elk, lamassu, and tengu.
Western - owls, golden lion tamarins, sparrows, squirrels, and tengu.
*Western - owls, golden lion tamarins, sparrows, squirrels, and tengu.
|-
|-
|[[Jaru]]
|[[Jaru]]
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|-
|-
|[[Manara]]
|[[Manara]]
|TBA
|Hickory roots, turnips, potatoes, carrots.
|Earthworms.
|-
|-
|[[Mhaldor]]
|[[Mhaldor]]
|TBA
|TBA
|Leviathan, rats.
|Leviathan, rats.
|-
|[[Mhojave Desert]]
|Desert-inspired, curry, kawhe, prickly pear, cactus weed.
|Camels, foxes, snakes, monitor lizards, hyenas, lizards, jarbos, unformed things of Chaos, scorpions.
|-
|-
|[[Minia]]
|[[Minia]]
|Acorns.
|Acorns.
|Butterflies, firesprites, hellcats, squirrels.
|Butterflies, firesprites, hellcats, squirrels.
|-
|[[River Mnemosyne]]
|Nuts: chinquapin. Jungle fruit: bulyandi fruit, calabash fruit, crab fruit, macambillos, and maltarine berries.
|Alligators, Treefrogs, Fish: alurabim, roopimaya, peacock bass, piranha. Crabs
|-
|-
|[[Moghedu]]
|[[Moghedu]]
|Cinnabar, mould, lichen.
|N/A
|-
|[[River Mnemosyne]]
|bulri fruit (sweet flavour described as "like milk and honey", pale interior, sticky texture)
|TBA
|TBA
|-
|-
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|TBA
|TBA
|Foxes, mountain goats, and rabbits.
|Foxes, mountain goats, and rabbits.
|-
|[[Mysia]]
|Tropical, seafood, and most other stereotypical island flavours.
|Parrots and oysters.
|-
|-
|[[New Hope]]
|[[New Hope]]
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|-
|-
|[[New Thera]]
|[[New Thera]]
|TBA
|N/A
|Termites.
|Termites.
|-
|-
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|Wheat and corn in the farmlands. In the Ijellian Gardens - apples, plums, weedflowers, mushrooms, chilli peppers, and herbs.
|Wheat and corn in the farmlands. In the Ijellian Gardens - apples, plums, weedflowers, mushrooms, chilli peppers, and herbs.
|Grasshoppers, Petran starlings.
|Grasshoppers, Petran starlings.
|-
|[[Quartz Peak]]
|Rocky, mountainous area with bear-like creatures, mungoberries, blackberries
|gulls.
|-
|[[Riparium]]
|Sea-inspired: kelp, seaweed
|octopus, squid, shark, eel, crab
|-
|[[Sea Lion Cove]]
|Sea-inspired.
|Black cormorant, sharks, crabs, sea turtles, sea lions.
|-
|-
|[[Shastaan]]
|[[Shastaan]]
|Seaweed (on the beach near the shore).
|Seaweed (on the beach near the shore).
|Starfish, hermit crabs, and fish from nearby Eastern Shore.
|Starfish, hermit crabs, and fish from nearby Eastern Shore.
|-
|[[Siroccian Mountains]]
|Blueberries
|Wolverines, skunks, blind fish, treesnake
|-
|-
|[[Targossas]]
|[[Targossas]]
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|[[Thraasi Foothills]]
|[[Thraasi Foothills]]
|Sea-salt flavours.
|Sea-salt flavours.
|Crabs, eagles, and mountain lions.
|Crabs, carp, eagles, and mountain lions.
|-
|-
|[[Tir Murann]]
|[[Tir Murann]]
|TBA
|Wild grasses.
|Gours, moirahs, and xabats.
|Gours, moirahs, and xabats.
|-
|-
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|Root vegetables, corn, grasses,  
|Root vegetables, corn, grasses,  
|Savannah cows, horses, cave bears, green and orange frogs.
|Savannah cows, horses, cave bears, green and orange frogs.
|-
|[[Ulangi]]
|Kelp, bubbling marshwater, mushrooms, and maple.
|Oysters, moose, pheasants, deer, hummingbird, honeydew, and upon closer inspection grasshoppers, crickets, and an array of small amphibians like frogs and salamanders.
|-
|[[Vents of Hthrak]]
|A juicy, red-coloured fruit with a tart smell
|dirangi (feline) and ozhera (poultry)
|-
|-
|}
|}
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===Food Ingredients and Types===
===Food Ingredients and Types===


==== Spices and Seasonings ====
==== Sugar and Spice Are Not Always Nice ====
Types of spices and seasonings to enhance the flavour of your recipes.
Spices, seasonings, and condiments enhance the flavour of your recipes. In 713 Amarisse explained that mustard is fine. If you're unsure about similar condiments, like ketchup, ask on a letter and hand it to her in the Crafter's Union in Delos or describe the condiment, for example: tomato paste with spices.
 
Sweet treats can be a fun addition to Achaean life. In 762, however, Nicola announced that cotton candy/candy floss was added the banned list. See the notes below for more information regarding alternatives.


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|[[Ijel]] from [[Petra]] grows these on his property, called the Ijellian Garden, in the western area of the [[:Category:Villages|village]].
|[[Ijel]] from [[Petra]] grows these on his property, called the Ijellian Garden, in the western area of the [[:Category:Villages|village]].
Examples: a skewer of stuffed chilli peppers; The spiciest peppers from the Ijellian garden add a sharp bite to the sauce; and Chilli peppers add spicy flavour to the dark red beans and stewed tomatoes.
Examples: a skewer of stuffed chilli peppers; The spiciest peppers from the Ijellian garden add a sharp bite to the sauce; and Chilli peppers add spicy flavour to the dark red beans and stewed tomatoes.
|-
|mushrooms
|mushrooms
|When in doubt, research the origin of the real world name. Shiitake mushrooms get there name from two Japanese words. If you want to avoid having your recipe returned by the Crafter's Union then you might refer to them as sawtooth oak mushrooms, oakwood mushrooms, black mushrooms, or golden oak mushrooms, which are all perfectly legitimate alternatives.
|-
|cotton candy/candy floss
|n/a
|Spun sugar is allowed but is not synonymous with cotton candy/candy floss and therefore not an alternative.
|}
|}


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|Loaf
|Loaf
|Round, flat loaf topped with herbs and possibly vegetables
|Round, flat loaf topped with herbs and possibly vegetables
|-
|French toast
|Bread
|Avoid insane terms current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]], but you could try something like griddle-fried breakfast toast.
|-
|-
|Kipferl
|Kipferl
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|A crescent-shaped, bagel-like bread sprinkled with seeds and coarse salt, such as sea salt
|A crescent-shaped, bagel-like bread sprinkled with seeds and coarse salt, such as sea salt
|-
|-
|Pancake
|Pancake or waffles
|N/A
|N/A
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]]
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]]  
|-
|Pizza
|N/A
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]]
|-
|-
|Pita
|Pita
|Sandwich
|Sandwich
|A round flatbread with an inner pocket which can hold sandwich ingredients
|A round flatbread with an inner pocket which can hold sandwich ingredients
|-
|Pizza (dough, bread)
|N/A
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]] but you can try making a flatbread or wrap with pizza-like toppings
|-
|-
|Pretzel
|Pretzel
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|Tortilla
|Tortilla
|Wrap
|Wrap
|Flatbread
|Flatbread (but tacos themselves are not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]])
|-
|-
|Waffle
|Waffle or pancakes
|N/A
|N/A
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]]
|Not allowed per current [[Crafting_Standards#Cooking_Specific|Crafting Standards]]
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|Goat cheese ([[Dwarf|Dwarven]])
|Goat cheese ([[Dwarf|Dwarven]])
|Ihnbirian goat cheese, Siroccian goat cheese, or any other variety of Dwarven goat cheese
|Ihnbirian goat cheese, Siroccian goat cheese, or any other variety of Dwarven goat cheese
|Due to the cold and mountainous terrain of Inbhir Ness and the Siroccian mountains, hard varieties of goat cheese are more prevalent among dwarven communities. The salty and tart flavours of dwarven goat cheese are augmented by the presence of their rind which adds a hint of powdery nuttiness.
|Due to the cold and mountainous terrain of Inbhir Ness and the Siroccian mountains, hard varieties of goat cheese are more prevalent among dwarven communities. The salty and tart flavours of dwarven goat cheese are augmented by the presence of their rind which adds a hint of powdery nuttiness. NOTE: The [[Eleusian_Inn]] sells a wheel of cheese described as "White, hard, and made from the milk of a goat, this small wheel of cheese has been made to last for long journeys, or to accompany many a meal."
|-
|-
|Goat cheese (Mountain)
|Goat cheese (Mountain)
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|-
|-
|Gouda
|Gouda
|Eleusian goat cheese
|Cow cheese
|The [[Eleusian_Inn]] sells a wheel of cheese described as:White, hard, and made from the milk of a goat, this small wheel of cheese has been made to last for long journeys, or to accompany many a meal.
|A semi-hard to hard cheese made from cows with a very mild, nutty flavour.
|-
|-
|Havarti
|Havarti
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