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::This argument seems familiar. The races used to be split up differently, with the races seperate from the denizen pages. But someone wanted the races listed under the denizens because there were generic denizens in certain places and then we got into a big confusing mess about whether certain races were sentient races and I got upset because someone was trying to categorize sentient humanoid races as creatures and it all got more messy until Valnurana offered a compromise and I went in and did it by that and then they started getting blurred because people who weren't around for the original argument started doing things their way(is that a long enough run on for everyone?). I still prefer having the denizens limited to unique/named denizens and the races for the various races like the Hanai and the Angai etc with the sentient races separate from the critters but that argument with Delphinus and Trevize where a stupid talking spider, wolf, winged lion, and sun bear got sentience denied as a proof positive classification as a seperator between creatures and sentient races. It's late, I'm rambling, I'm going to stop now and if anyone wants me to clarify at a later time, catch me when I'm coherent and can remember what I'm going to say. [[User:Corvax|Corvax]] 09:10, 8 February 2008 (GMT)

::This argument seems familiar. The races used to be split up differently, with the races seperate from the denizen pages. But someone wanted the races listed under the denizens because there were generic denizens in certain places and then we got into a big confusing mess about whether certain races were sentient races and I got upset because someone was trying to categorize sentient humanoid races as creatures and it all got more messy until Valnurana offered a compromise and I went in and did it by that and then they started getting blurred because people who weren't around for the original argument started doing things their way(is that a long enough run on for everyone?). I still prefer having the denizens limited to unique/named denizens and the races for the various races like the Hanai and the Angai etc with the sentient races separate from the critters but that argument with Delphinus and Trevize where a stupid talking spider, wolf, winged lion, and sun bear got sentience denied as a proof positive classification as a seperator between creatures and sentient races. It's late, I'm rambling, I'm going to stop now and if anyone wants me to clarify at a later time, catch me when I'm coherent and can remember what I'm going to say. [[User:Corvax|Corvax]] 09:10, 8 February 2008 (GMT)

:::Yikes. Well, I agree with at least two things: 1) Adventurer races (the races themselves, not the grouping "adventurer races") can and should be categorised as both denizen and adventurer, because these races are both (with the exception of Greater Dragon). (Again, race does not define adventurers vs. denizens - soul does.) 2) Denizens are defined against creatures by, thus far, one thing: sentience (whatever that means, right? ;) In other words, don't distinguish adventurers and denizens based on race (because that's wrong), and DO distinguish creatures and denizens based on sentience. This is a very clear place to start. Whether or not we want to define "denizen" by TWO elements: sentient AND humanoid, can be (and probably should be if it warrants enough input) put up for discussion on the forums... More later when I have the time. [[User:Asara|Asara]] 14:05, 8 February 2008 (GMT)

:::Yikes. Well, I agree with at least two things: 1) Adventurer races (the races themselves, not the grouping "adventurer races") can and should be categorised as both denizen and adventurer, because these races are both (with the exception of Greater Dragon). (Again, race does not define adventurers vs. denizens - soul does.) 2) Denizens are defined against creatures by, thus far, one thing: sentience (whatever that means, right? ;) In other words, don't distinguish adventurers and denizens based on race (because that's wrong), and DO distinguish creatures and denizens based on sentience. This is a very clear place to start. Whether or not we want to define "denizen" by TWO elements: sentient AND humanoid, can be (and probably should be if it warrants enough input) put up for discussion on the forums... More later when I have the time. [[User:Asara|Asara]] 14:05, 8 February 2008 (GMT)